Tangle of Need: Riaz & Adria's Story- Coming June 2012

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Post by cheebee on Wed May 30, 2012 1:45 am

And what about hawks hangOver and the possibility if a and r growing into a bond and what sacrifice did Vasic make for Aden and why can Vasic not be trusted.....so many questions.

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Post by sephora on Wed May 30, 2012 2:04 am

ferdy wrote:
sephora wrote:Im being whiny, I know, but I wish I hadnt read this book.

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Coz if things are to looked at from ToS pov, then why bother giving Hawke/ Sienna a bond to begin with?? Dont get me wrong, I love my Snows, and I was ecstatic, when the mating bond happened for them, but frankly after this book, it makes think, why the big deal. Just have them fall in love and get it over with.

Well, on one hand, we are getting constant reminders of how amazing the bond truly is, via H/S, and M/R and through Riaz's pain itself, on the other hand, apparently it can be ignored. Not given up completely ,but ignored enough to fall for someone else.

I feel truly bad for Adria though. Her insecurities are completely spot on, and you cant blame her for having those fears. And then you have her fall for a man, who while "devoted' to her, will never truly be hers.

Riaz shouldn't have been paired up with anyone at all, honestly, if this was how it was gonna be.

The rules for the psy-changeling world are changing, looks like.

And my bitterness is a bad taste in mouth....

Settling for someone, is not ,what a happy ending makes....

My sentiments exactly..I woke up early to finish the book and I wished I hadnt bothered becuase I'm pissed re Adria/Riaz and I'm also tired and cranky. I didn't like Adria/Riaz's resolution, I think they will be readers that are more than happy with Riaz and Adria's HEA but I'm not one of them.. I feel let down.

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It was only at 75% that I actaully believed that Riaz saw Adria as more than a lover/confidante/friend and even then I wasn't impressed with his feelings for her.
I thought it was interesting/frustrating/unsatisfying that when Adria walked away from Riaz and he 'lost' her he was angry and upset but his pain/emotion/feelings were so underwhelming and pretty much nothing compared to him 'losing' Lisette.. For most of the book the way he describes how he was grieving for Lisette and how it killed him and that he'd never felt that level of pain before and how it tore him apart..I mean he never felt anywhere close to that when Adria left him.
I wish Adria's potential mate wouuld have been addressed more..I actually would have been happier if she had mey him and had a chance to feel what she would be missing out on.. the fact that she has no idea of the deep, life changing feeling a potential mate gives a changeling is so sad..I mean Riaz experienced it and I'm doubtfuk that any feelings he has with Adria no matter how devoted to her he is will ever compare to what he felt for Lisette - first the joy and shock at finding her and then the indescribable pain of losing her.. his feelings for Adria no matter how strong won't cause him the same soul deep joy or pain.
Throughout the book Adria the woman and the wolf have feelings for Riaz that she's nevvr ever come close to experienced before but Riaz's wolf and the man's feelings for Adria IMO don't compare to what he felt for Lisette. How is Riaz always having that primal, instinctive tug towards another woman considered a happy ending.. Riaz will always possess Adria's heart fully but Adria will nevr fully have Riaz's heart becuase they'll always be that connection and raw need/feelings towards Lisette. He'll share a special connection and feeling with Lisette that he'll never feel with Adria..even in the slim chance they do mate at some point in a later book it still won't be anything special becuase he's felt it all before with Lisette. Adria to me is still the consolation prize and she deserved so much more after being with Martin for 10 years.
I didn;t feel any better when Lisette came back on the scene because even though Riaz didn't want her she also didn't want him..after reading all about about the bond and mates in previous books I feelthat had Lisette wanted Riaz and stuck around that eventually he would have stopped fighting to be with Adria (If Lisette stick around and was a single agaent she wouldn't have taken back Riaz becuase she wouldn't wnat to deny him a chance at being with his mate) and he wouldn't have been ableto ignore the mating tug when his mate was available and near him.
The talk with Hawke and Dalton didn't make things all that clearer for me because it just bought into too many variables and what they said was too wishy washy..it seems that a changelings HEA is largely die to right place, right time and right circumstance.. rather than woah that peson is my mate, my one and only, that person is irreplaceable and ypur the only one that coud give me my HEA.
I'm so upset for Adria becuase the feelings she described for Riaz were very much the feelings changelings have towards a mate..but he wasn't her mate. The feelings Riaz had for Adria were just so meh for most of the book and then at the end it felt like he mostly loved her like a human rather than that of a changeling. So he still has the mating tug at the end with Lisette it just makes me think who would he choose if he both Adria and Lisette's life were in danger..sure he's devoted to Adria but Lisette is his mate and wouldn't it be the wolf's automatic instinct to save his mate..no matter how much his wolf has accepted Adria as his lover.
Bleugh I don't like the implications of Riaz and Adria being together it just cheapens/lessens the previously supposed gold standard of a changeling's HEA. I also dont like that they won'y share a bond after R/M and H/S's bond was shoved in our faces..H/S were in love and commited to each other before the bond just as much as A/R are now but what we've read in KoS and ToN we know ther so much more with the bond and have a completeness and certaintity towards each other that they didn't have prior to the bond..so knowing that how can I be satisfied with A/R's HEA when I feel like their missing something and that A/R espcially Adria hvae been short changed.
Sorry for the long rant..I just so much feelings re A/R/L and the mating bond vs no mating bind.

I'm going to try and get a few hrs more sleep and then do a quick re read after so I can see if I can poss find the A/R situation more to my liking (it's doubtful that I'll be any happier about them re reading..I suspect if anything I'll be less happy with their HEA.


You explain it all so much better...lol....
Sigh...I respect other peoples differing opinions on this, but for me this pairing was just painful, sad and settling-for-someone..This should have had Grace and Cooper instead of Riza/Adria, coz atleast it wouldnt be so" huh?!? wat the..?!?!" with respect to the mate bond, and frankly I would say the main couple was only there for 45-50 % of the book anyway..and Coop/Grace are getting a novella, which would have fit in here perfect.
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Re: Tangle of Need: Riaz & Adria's Story- Coming June 2012

Post by ferdy on Wed May 30, 2012 2:58 am

sephora wrote: You explain it all so much better...lol....
Sigh...I respect other peoples differing opinions on this, but for me this pairing was just painful, sad and settling-for-someone..This should have had Grace and Cooper instead of Riza/Adria, coz atleast it wouldnt be so" huh?!? wat the..?!?!" with respect to the mate bond, and frankly I would say the main couple was only there for 45-50 % of the book anyway..and Coop/Grace are getting a novella, which would have fit in here perfect.

Yea..In a way I'm glad that there wasn't a lot of Adria/Riaz because their whole story just upset me A LOT..I wish there had been no Adria /Riaz and like you said had Coop/Grace instead.
I just looked back at my previous post and had to edit it..I must have been really tired because I had way more spelling and grammer mistakes than usual:P

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Post by Yurice on Wed May 30, 2012 3:03 am

I liked Adria more than I expected.^^
As for their MB...
Who knows? Dalton mentioned that a rejected bond will break down.
What if this is what happened with Hawke? The bond towards Rissa broke up and he was able to mate again. Yes yes I don't want to see it that way, but it's a possibility. If I had my way, I'll push for 'one true mate - Sienna'. ^^
So, in time, maybe...the tug towards Lisette will disappear too, and then Riaz and Adria will be able to mate.

I don't see anything 'unnatural' about Hawke and Sienna's bond, no mating is the same...it just so happen that in their case, it's the man who was fighting the bond, not the girl. xD It still tickles me pink that Hawke carried Sienna's scent before she did his. Twisted Evil

As for ToN, I enjoyed it, loved H&S, loved Judd and the Arrows, even William the Dart is present lol. It does leave me a little unsatisfied about A&R, but then...I'm still high on H&S to be really sad about them.^^

My favorite parts:
The mating ceremony of H&S is my numero uno, though I was a bit surprised they didn't invite at least Lucas and Sascha. The wolves are more private than the cats it seems.^^

Hawke and Riley's drunk scene.

Judd's fanclub!

Riley's good news! That scene is simply beautiful!

Finding out about Kaleb's 'extra' ability.

I'm trying not to sound bias, but every H&S scene made me squeal! Laughing The cookies, when Sienna wanted to join the anchor protection thing, discussing their future babies...Hawke with a hangover. </favoritism>

I may sound demented but I keep on wishing Aden is a girl so s/he and Vasic can be together.




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Post by tabitha on Wed May 30, 2012 3:10 am

My favourite parts were everything with Kaleb, Judd or the Arrows in it Very Happy
& the mating ceremony Smile

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Re: Tangle of Need: Riaz & Adria's Story- Coming June 2012

Post by ferdy on Wed May 30, 2012 3:10 am

TheFLuff wrote:
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The way I read it, Riaz actually overrode his wolfs instincts, to be with the woman, he wanted.
Which to me is kind of impressive. And it actually values Adria alot higher than a mate.

It´s easy to go in, saying "I know you are mine" or going in saying: I know the danger, I know the insecurities, but I´ll take that leap and want you anyways. Not because of some magical pull, but because of YOU!


Something else:

Did Aden really.. REALLY say, they couldn´t trust Vasic anymore?

REALLY?!

Oh and I loved the Arrows. How insecure they are. and how lost.
Judds going to have his hands full.
And not talking about Vasic and his sacrifice for Aden... because Aden still had a chance
Sad Sad

I do get where your coming from with Riaz overcoming his wolf instincts for Adria..because I thought that myself at some points but then I'd read something and it'd just taint my view of R and A..Riaz would say something or other that I felt showed that he hadn't very strong feelings for A, and then he'd comment over and over and over about how much the whole L/mate situation hurt him/was still hurting him..and just the way he described the feeling of the mate tug and how it affected him was just too much..A never elicited that level of feeling for him and that's one of things I can't get past to accept A/R's HEA.
I expect A LOT from my romances and if there's something even slightly off I'll like said romance a lot less..with A/R there's too many things that bug me about it and I know I'll never be satisfied with their HEA no matter how much I concentrate on the positives of their relationship..even if they get bonded in future books I know I still wont be satisfied with them Sad .
I suppose I can't get everything but there was a lot of H/S, M/R and Kaleb goodness that kept me going:)

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Post by ferdy on Wed May 30, 2012 3:22 am

Yurice wrote:I liked Adria more than I expected.^^
As for their MB...
Who knows? Dalton mentioned that a rejected bond will break down.
What if this is what happened with Hawke? The bond towards Rissa broke up and he was able to mate again. Yes yes I don't want to see it that way, but it's a possibility. If I had my way, I'll push for 'one true mate - Sienna'. ^^
So, in time, maybe...the tug towards Lisette will disappear too, and then Riaz and Adria will be able to mate.

I don't see anything 'unnatural' about Hawke and Sienna's bond, no mating is the same...it just so happen that in their case, it's the man who was fighting the bond, not the girl. xD It still tickles me pink that Hawke carried Sienna's scent before she did his. Twisted Evil

As for ToN, I enjoyed it, loved H&S, loved Judd and the Arrows, even William the Dart is present lol. It does leave me a little unsatisfied about A&R, but then...I'm still high on H&S to be really sad about them.^^

My favorite parts:
The mating ceremony of H&S is my numero uno, though I was a bit surprised they didn't invite at least Lucas and Sascha. The wolves are more private than the cats it seems.^^

Hawke and Riley's drunk scene.

Judd's fanclub!

Riley's good news! That scene is simply beautiful!

Finding out about Kaleb's 'extra' ability.

I'm trying not to sound bias, but every H&S scene made me squeal! Laughing The cookies, when Sienna wanted to join the anchor protection thing, discussing their future babies...Hawke with a hangover. </favoritism>

I may sound demented but I keep on wishing Aden is a girl so s/he and Vasic can be together.





OMG..every Aden and Vasic scene I kept thinking there was something between them.. I was prob reading too much into it.
Kaleb's my new Hawke.
I forgot about Judd's fanclub..that was brilliant.
We definitely deserved the H&S scenes...don't hate me but as much as I enjoyed their scenes, I did find them a tad boring..I'm so used to reading about them being all angsty and having to deal with constant danger (in KoS) that them doing ordinary things like cooking and talking about their day seemed a little dull in comparison.
I kind of got annoyed by every changeling/psy/human being described as so good looking and so skilled/talented at something or other and practically every submissive having an inner spine of steel or strength..It felt like every changeling/psy/human was the best at some sort of field and everyone respected/was impressed by their talent..it was almost like every main and peripheral charcater was either as Mary Stu or a Gary Stu.
I absolutely adored M/R.. they were perfect.
From what little we saw of him I really liked Pierce's character..I though him teasing Adria and then Adria doing it right back was v.funny.
I thought oretty much every new character that got introduced had the potential to be a future hero/heroine.

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Post by Yurice on Wed May 30, 2012 3:51 am

But it's those domesticated things they do together that made me really happy. Too much excitement can't be good for a relationship...I mean, they do need quiet times like those to nurture their relationship without worrying about the pack. Very Happy

I like pretty people. Though I can see what you mean.^^
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Post by TheFLuff on Wed May 30, 2012 4:41 am

Oh.. I forgot...
BOWEN!
I love that guy.

He got balls of steel.

And yes, every scene between Aden and Vasic, there is just that bond, that unbreakable bond and you can feel it.
Hey, since JR Ward made m/m mainstream compatible... there´s hope Very Happy

I´m not giving in on them yet.
And am I the only one, who thinks, Simran and Inés are a couple?

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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 4:53 am

I felt like a bad person for gayshipping Vasic and Aden at first, but I can't help myself.

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Post by sephora on Wed May 30, 2012 5:03 am

Ok so an entirely cute Riley Mercy scene with Hawke Sienna thrown in for good measure..Coz Im distracting myself with the other stuff..
BEWARE!! Big spoiler...


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HAWKE SLAPPED RILEY on the back. “Hell yeah.” His
wolf was as proud of the other man’s news as he’d be if he were
the father.
Riley raised his beer in a cheer. “To redheads.”
Hawke clinked his bottle to Riley’s, both of them seated on
the steps of Hawke and Sienna’s private cabin. While the place
was meant to be off-limits to the rest of the pack, they’d realized
they enjoyed inviting friends over at times.
“Wait,” Hawke said, before taking a sip. “Which redhead are
we saluting? My redhead, Mercy, Faith, or your future spawn?”
“All of them.” Riley spread his arms expansively. “And I’ll
thank you to call my spawn pups or cubs, or pupcubs.”
“Pupcubs.” Hawke mused. “I like it.”
From her chair on the porch, Mercy shook her head at
Sienna. “The boys are drunk.”
Sienna was fascinated. “I’ve never seen Hawke drunk. Or
Riley.”
“This,” Mercy said, her tone that of a wise teacher, “is
celebratory drunkenness. Witnessed at times when men rejoice
in their own prowess.”
Riley glanced over his shoulder to grin—actually grin—at
Riley glanced over his shoulder to grin—actually grin—at
Mercy. “I gave you multiple pupcubs. I have prowess.”
Eyes dancing, Mercy walked to sit behind him on a higher
step, so he could lean against her chest. “Yes, you did, and yes,
you do.”
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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 5:13 am

Okay, I'm not sure yet what I think about the whole book.. Will have to reflect upon that later, but atm I'm actually quite satisfied with how everything went.

Spoiler:
I was very wary about the lack of a mating bond, but I found it actually quite satisfying the way Nalini wrote the whole thing. I don't think Adria is just Second Place. He does love her. Who knows if they will some day have a mating bond, but even if they don't, they have their love and it felt as real as it gets in most novels, so.

I loved all the Sienna and Hawke scenes. I mean, I had huge troubles with KOS after I reread it and thought that it was like one of those bad RomComs where after the big kiss you don't get to see if they can actually work out for more than three days, so it was awesome to get to see them baking cookies. I have to admit that I like their Alpha relationship MUCH more than I do Lucas and Sascha's and not just because I dislike Sascha (I came to find her okay in the last few months again) but because their relationship doesn't feel very Alpha-ish. You know, Sienna knows how to fight and trains, shadows other people.. I suppose that Sascha didn't have to do the work because she's an Empath and older, but if you really think about it, Sienna IS older than Sascha.

Vasic and Aden were just awesome. I loved all their scenes, and I think it speaks volumes that there were so many scenes told in the POV of psys. I mean, Kaleb, Vasic, Aden, The Ghost and then also the bad folks? Feels like in the next few books we'll get lots of Psy-action. Yay!

My biggest issue is the final chapter "Retrieval" because it's.. it's like.. I finally know how they condition those Arrow children. Pure torture! THat's what they do. I'm almost an Arrow myself now after reading that chap and knowing I'll have to wait a friggin year.. Except that I'm not silent or Silent and all, but.. you know. >_< GIVE ME THAT DARN BOOK ALREADY!

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Post by tabitha on Wed May 30, 2012 5:36 am

Simran & Ines are a couple, nalini confirmed it in a live q&A last year
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Post by tabitha on Wed May 30, 2012 5:38 am

I adore Bowen (he's the man:)) I wonder if we'll get to find out what happened with the psy and his adoptive sister Lily
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Post by TheFLuff on Wed May 30, 2012 5:40 am

O love that milewide soft spot, Vasic has for children.
It´s just awwwwwwwwwwwww!

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Post by tabitha on Wed May 30, 2012 5:59 am


Spoiler:
I'm hoping that Nalini wont kill Vasic off even though he wants to die as he has such a cult following.
I will not be wishing for him and Aden as a couple though. I thought maybe Aden & Kiesha Bale would get together.

Anyone else think that Vasic might be the Ghost now?
The scene where Aden tells Judd they may have to kill him when this is over as he wont be able to be trusted, followed by Judd telling Xavier that as the Ghosts friend he will kill him if the insanity becomes too much and that he could have been like the Ghost

I really hope we get to read about Vasic's background soon.

So we know even Nikita isn't truly silent as Kaleb reveals she will do anything to protect Sascha. & OMG when Kaleb catches her and Anthony together Very Happy

It seems that very few of the Psy are truly silent.

So Alice may be involved with Ziad the founder of the Arrows....Maybe she gets her book next?

Maybe Kenji will need up with the Dark Sea rep & not Gem? I think they will be the other novella though.

I think Alexei will get his book next and that he is the son of the Black Edge pack near Kalebs home in Moscow who Hawke mentions he has a link with.

I think Kaleb & this pack have a deeper connection also.

I think Mercy and Riley will have some of each changeling species when their cubpups are born.

I think the psy Kaleb traces who has been hidden by the Net is Sahara Nightstar or maybe his own sibling; however if you read that part carefully the psy he locates he actually uses their stripped mind to locate his true quary, someone maybe Enrique tortured and I think it is a changleing female

These are my personal predictions Very Happy what do you guys predict will happen next in the Psy Changeling world?
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Post by paranormalmama on Wed May 30, 2012 6:30 am

I worship you Tabitha! I agree with everything! I think Vasic (if he gets the book he so richly deserves!) has the potential to be THE book to just slay me emotionally and just be so damned good...BUT I am not thrilled about m/m....so I hope this thing with Aden is just a deep friendship male bond (much like Butch & V if anyone has read the Black Dagger Brotherhood books by JR Ward)....I think the Ghost is Vasic most times too, especially with that spying scene...

I want Kaleb next and I hope that the back story is a changeling with a great mating bond to put the bad taste out of my mouth about this undermine of the mating bond...lol


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Post by Jane on Wed May 30, 2012 7:41 am

paranormalmama wrote:
I want Kaleb next and I hope that the back story is a changeling with a great mating bond to put the bad taste out of my mouth about this undermine of the mating bond...lol


I couldn't say it better!
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I want Kaleb with a changeling, but I think that girl is Sahara. The next book, I think, it's Kaleb and that would explain Why Nalini is being so secretive about the next book.

Tabitha, could you tell me please who is the person you think it will be Alexei's mate? I can't think of anyone.... well, I can think about one but she needs time to recover.
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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 7:55 am

Urgh, no Butch and V, please. I didn't like them. I'm not a big m/m fan, either, but in t heir case it's just impossible for me not to gayship them. v_v I do think they are just.. brothers or whatever you want to call it. Smile But the bond is so strong.. Maybe they are *bursts into song* just too close to looove *stops singing* eachother in a romantic way.

Whatevs. ;D Started the other topic to talk about Vasic, Kaleb, Aden and the Ghost: http://nalini.forumotion.com/t258-after-ton-vasic-aden-the-ghost-and-kaleb

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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 7:56 am

Jane - Whom do you think of? And why recover?

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Post by sephora on Wed May 30, 2012 8:12 am

I would say maybe Lucy the nurse(healer-assistant) or Mariska the shy tech might be options for Alexei..

Ok, so we know for sure Coop-Grace are the next novella.. and then who?
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Post by TheFLuff on Wed May 30, 2012 8:32 am

No idea... with Cooper and Grace comes a second novella, but she doesn´t say, whose it will be

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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 9:23 am

Okay. I drew my review this time. Hah. I think it is a masterpiece of art. Geheheh.

Spoiler:

What about Gem?

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Post by Sarah18 on Wed May 30, 2012 9:27 am

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Re: Tangle of Need: Riaz & Adria's Story- Coming June 2012

Post by Lulu2011 on Wed May 30, 2012 9:45 am

I'm still processing what I think but I do know that in previous books, it has been mentioned again and again that the woman can choose to reject the mating. The woman has the final say in the "dance" and I've always wondered how that would play out for the male. Would he never be able to find another? I guess that's what happened in Tangle even though Riaz and Lisette were never in the "dance". It's possible for the male to move on and then basically break the hold the bond has on him. And then as Dalton sort of implied (or said) have it maybe weaken even further over time. I wish that had been more clear. Nalini could have explained it better and dealt with some of those ramifications up front.

Also, bottom line is that two changelings can be deeply in love and wildly attracted to each other physically (to the point where they were acting like they were in the mating dance) and also want the mating bond with each other, but not be able to have it? That doesn't seem very romantic. Though Hawke did say he'd seen committed couples get the bond sometimes after years of togetherness so maybe it will develop for Riaz and Adria. (*sigh*)

Oh, and did anybody else think that Lisette was a little bit silly and high-maintenance? Shoe throwing in a parking lot? Really, lol? I was thinking she didn't seem like a good fit for a SD lieutenant fighting a war.
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