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Post by Lulu2011 on Wed May 30, 2012 9:58 am

One of the things I LOVED was that

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Hawke and Sienna are going to be going after Ming together. YES!!!! I had hoped for that in KoS and I wanted Sienna to be the one to take out Ming, or at least involved in some significant way and she will be. Yay!!! I also think that will give us lots more Hawke and Sienna in the next couple books as they plan the op.

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Post by tabitha on Wed May 30, 2012 9:58 am

I was happy with Adria's & Riaz's human & wolves being in love like the 100 year together couples.

I was thinking maybe Alexei & Alice but maybe not...
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Post by paranormalmama on Wed May 30, 2012 10:52 am

Patricia, that is amazing! so talented, lol

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Post by Lulu2011 on Wed May 30, 2012 10:57 am

Tabitha, it's not that I don't believe in Riaz and Adria as a couple. I do. I think they make a really good couple, much better than Riaz and Lisette. Lisette seemed a bit silly to me and not the right match for a lone wolf SD lieutenant fighting a war.

I just wanted the mating rules much more clearly explained. Too much was left for speculation. Are the mating rules evolving? That's sort of what was implied. Or has there always been some flexibility since there are usually exceptions to every rule? Are these laws immutable or not?

We know that the woman can reject the bond. It's been mentioned many times in many of the earlier books. We've never seen a case, and it's never been mentioned, what the ramifications of a rejected bond are. (I do need to go back and read Nate and Tammy's novella as there might be something about that in there. I do remember Tammy's mother telling Nate to "let her baby go to find someone who would love her".) If that's what was going on here, Lisette "rejected" Riaz and Riaz basically "rejected" her and this is the result, OK, but this is just me speculating and I'd like to have had Nalini spell it out. Maybe I missed that somewhere? I need to go back and re-read some parts, particularly the Dalton scene.
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Post by Jane on Wed May 30, 2012 11:08 am

Patricia and Tabitha, yes I was also thinking about Alice & Alexei, but Alice may need recovery since she doesn't remember anything and everything that happen with Zaid....

And what about that microship that Ming wanted to put in Sienna....I wonder if he will do anything about that.... Do hope Hawke and Sienna finish him and that he hurts before he dies!
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Post by paranormalmama on Wed May 30, 2012 11:24 am

I can not deal with a future where Sienna has been micro chipped! I kept wondering if somehow Ming was able to do it, and then she starts behaving crazy...but then when she burned Ming with the cold fire, he seemed hell bent on just killing her all together because she was just too strong to have on a leash or not- he said something to that effect...so I much rather it just be a battle of witts and war when it comes to Ming & Sienna, none of this microchipping! Ever! lol

I can't see Alice having any kind of romance for a while...I can't even say I am looking forward to it. I feel like the next characters to step up are Mariska and maybe Alexi? I think Mariska will have a lot more book time because she was mentioned quite a few times in the book, and her character is getting fleshed out- that usually means her story is on the way, Nalini made a point to do more than describe her in passing...I LOVE a submissive woman (with a little bite- maybe) But sometimes I get tired of the Inigo, Mercy and Adria types, I don't want the man to have to fight at every turn all the time, I need a break from these dominant females. I hope the next couple has a nice strong dominant male and a woman who bites back but is clearly not a dominant...

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Post by Jane on Wed May 30, 2012 11:31 am

Yes, maybe Mariska and Alexei....Mariska is Brenna's friend and she told Hawke that she was trying to convince Mariska to go out more....
I would also like a story about Matthias... maybe with Lucy or Rina. And then there is Tomás... he is so funny, he is like a second Drew....
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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 1:35 pm

Sarah18 wrote:Incredible, Patricia. You´re so talented I love you Very Happy
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Yes, I know, right? *snort* I wondered myself if I shouldn't do this professionally, but then.. You know, I don't have to work to get such results and it would be unfair if I suddenly took over all the cover-art commissions of amateurs like the coverartists of Nalini Singh's Guild Hunter series..

Lulu2011 wrote:One of the things I LOVED was that

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Hawke and Sienna are going to be going after Ming together. YES!!!! I had hoped for that in KoS and I wanted Sienna to be the one to take out Ming, or at least involved in some significant way and she will be. Yay!!! I also think that will give us lots more Hawke and Sienna in the next couple books as they plan the op.


YES!!! That is one of the reasons why I liked them more than Sascha and Lucas.. They work together, really WORK together. I know that every mating is different, but for some reasons Hawke and Sienna.. Well, being a Cardinal X-wolf who lost her mate when she was 12 and had to be Alpha from then on (because my mate was actually the Alpha before I was and all) and even at 12, the second-most dominant wolf.. I just can relate to them so much better, especially after I was wolfnapped when I was 17 and tortured by three Vietnamese criminals called Manh, Munh and Minh, who wanted to use my X-Fire to cook more rice in a shorter time frame.. (Being Vietnamese myself I felt very betrayed by my own people, and when I accidently killed a cockroach while releasing the fire.. The guilt.. It still haunts me, that night.)

tabitha wrote:I was happy with Adria's & Riaz's human & wolves being in love like the 100 year together couples.

I was thinking maybe Alexei & Alice but maybe not...

Alexei and Alice? That would be cool. Although I just feel a childish joy at thinking about how their names start with the same letter.. It still would be cool. Wonder how she knows Zaid. I liked LOSTs Zaid.. Well, the name. Well.. Erm.. Off topic.

Again: What about Gem?

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Post by Lulu2011 on Wed May 30, 2012 1:51 pm

I'm thinking that Gem and Kenji are going to be the other novella, along with Coop & Grace. The time frame fits. Remember the scene at the mating ceremony? Something is going down between those two.
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Post by Lulu2011 on Wed May 30, 2012 1:54 pm

I keep seeing Alexei with Mariska, the shy (but brillliant!) SD tech. Everyone is always so enthralled with his movie star good looks and she's probably so shy that she'd think he's out of her league. She'd be the only one who wouldn't come on to him and that would be a change for him and maybe he'd notice her. I'd like to see the shy girl get the gorgeous guy.

Edited to add: Also aren't Drew and Indigo going out to take over Alexei's sector for a bit, to get the new wolves integrated into SD? That means Alexei is rotating into the SD den for awhile. Hmmm . . .
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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 3:32 pm

Lulu - I love that trope as well. Not if the shy girl is weak, just if she's, you know.. more silent or thoughtful and well, introverted. The type of person who feels nervous when they are at places with many people, and who overthink what they say at least 4 times before they actually say something. But their input is really important and clever. Or they just blurt out whatever they had on their mind because they feel intimidated by the other person and can't control themselves; but it's not a sign of weakness, it's just.. cute when they do it. And if it's an important situation they can keep it together and such..

It's like.. the complete opposite of me, though. >_< Haha.

Yeah, I think Gem and Kenji have something going on, too, but she said something like 'Do you think I'm a sucker' or whatever and I wonder if there is a particular reason or if she's just like "As if I'd ever date any of you lieutnants *wink*". I'd like it if they got their own story written asap.

Actually, I would like it if Nalini would clone herself and then be in telepathic synch with her clone, so that the both of them can plot and write together and we'd get more books every year..

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Post by tabitha on Wed May 30, 2012 3:38 pm

Yup, Alexei will be in the den which is why I think he'll be next...

I think she should have a psy mate or at least someone from another pack.
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Post by Lulu2011 on Wed May 30, 2012 3:51 pm

Patricia wrote:Lulu - I love that trope as well. Not if the shy girl is weak, just if she's, you know.. more silent or thoughtful and well, introverted. The type of person who feels nervous when they are at places with many people, and who overthink what they say at least 4 times before they actually say something. But their input is really important and clever. Or they just blurt out whatever they had on their mind because they feel intimidated by the other person and can't control themselves; but it's not a sign of weakness, it's just.. cute when they do it. And if it's an important situation they can keep it together and such..

It's like.. the complete opposite of me, though. >_< Haha.

Yeah, I think Gem and Kenji have something going on, too, but she said something like 'Do you think I'm a sucker' or whatever and I wonder if there is a particular reason or if she's just like "As if I'd ever date any of you lieutnants *wink*". I'd like it if they got their own story written asap.

Actually, I would like it if Nalini would clone herself and then be in telepathic synch with her clone, so that the both of them can plot and write together and we'd get more books every year..

That's why I like the Alexei/Mariska pairing because she's a smart shy girl! And Gem and Kenji left the mating ceremony together and Kenji had a bruise on his cheek so she hit him at some point probably. Can't wait for that story. And, yes, some of the brilliant engineering students on this site need to start working on cloning so that we can have another Nalini writing full time. I need those novellas.
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Post by Patricia on Wed May 30, 2012 5:40 pm

Dunno if any of you ever had to watch cartoons but Jimmy Neutron or whatever his name is had those cool book-gums. You'd eat one and bam, know everything that happened. We need 1000 Nalini's so we'd get dozens of books every month. And then we'd need those gums.

Oh, it's unfair that the time when this might even be a possibility will be when I'm already dead. Sad XD

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Post by paranormalmama on Wed May 30, 2012 7:48 pm

Dark River has kind of taken a back seat I think....I think we won;t see another Cat centered book for a couple years and then it will be with Kit finally coming into his own...

But right now the arc is very Snow Dancer/Psy centered....which is ok, I think Dark River had the first what 6 books? lol

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Post by Lulu2011 on Wed May 30, 2012 8:25 pm

DarkRiver did have the majority of the first books but Caressed by Ice was in the SD den. All 3 novellas are also centered around DarkRiver so it's definitely SnowDancer's turn for a long while. That makes me happy as I love the wolves and there are all those single SD lieutenants lol! Everyone in DR is mated now with the exception of the young ones like Kit.
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Post by paranormalmama on Wed May 30, 2012 11:25 pm

Yes! More snow dancers! Also, what wre the novellad! I never read them?

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Post by tabitha on Thu May 31, 2012 3:18 am

Ria & Emmett, Annie & Zack & Tammy & Nate featured in the novella's.
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Post by ferdy on Thu May 31, 2012 4:33 am

Ok so I've done a re-read.. and still not quite sure about a few things..I've written a long winded post to try and clarify all my feelings:


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I just finished re-reading, in the hope i'd like R/A's relationship second time round..sadly I still don't like them. I felt that Adria's feelings were far stronger than Riaz's, I also felt that the feelings and thoughts (his instant pull towards Lisette and the grief about not having her) he had for Lisetee were described far stronger than what he felt and thought about Adria. I believe he loved her at the end but was all so meh and I didn't feel that the passion/love he had for Adria was as desperate and string as previous heroes. I wasn't impressed with the old couple at the end used to show love was enough..because they were human and they don't have the mating bond.
For me even thought R/A are in love and devoted now doesn't mean they always will be, people can be madly in love and think they'll be together forever but 5, 10 or 15 years they're feelings can drastically change and they can fall out of love. At least with the changelings that are mated we know there's no chance of that ever happening. Adria thought in the past that she and Martin would work out she was so sure of it just like she is sure of Riaz and look how her Martin ended up. Riaz is surrounded by mated couples and I think it's more than conceivable that one day he'll wonder what he missed out on and he might even begin to think that he should have fought for Lisette, that might start a seed of resentment and it might grow and cause the relationship between A/R to deteriorate.
I could also imagine Adria getting insecure and bitter about things because several times she mentioned that she didn't want to be second prize and that she wanted to be R's one and only..so she'll always have to cope with the realisation that she's not his one and only..that he had Lisette before her and what he potentially had with Lisette was not just love but also the mating bond (since it's been stated thorought that love and the mating bond go hand in hand). I'm wondering that if Lisette had moved to San Fransico and not reconciled with her husband, how long Riaz would have carried on fighting for Adria what with his mate available and around.
Also I noticed that Lisette even though she was happily married and in love she mentioned that she felt something between her and Riaz when they first met.. so if that's the case couldn't Adria technically feel something towards her mate if he comes on the scene regardless of her being in love with Riaz..I mean if Lisette felt something why not Adria. This is another reason why I'm not satisfied with then because all the uncertainties between them in their future.
I think the whole mating rules is still not as clear as it should be.. Dalton's non-explanation didn't help. I just find a lot of aspects very contradictory..both the human and wolf parts of A/R accept one another but can't get the bond, whilst just Riaz's wolf 'accepts' Lisette and they can achieve a mate bond. The mating bond/tug is so strong for Riaz that realising he couldn't have Lisette killed him and destroyed him etc but yet he can still be extremely attracted to Adria and also both wolf and man can love/adore her despite the mating tug yet even though the wolf and man are eventually completely in love with Adria and want forever with her the love isn't strong enough to make the mating tug disappear.. sure it's hinted it might go away but what's not making it go away now when the wolf and man know it wants another woman. From previous books the mating bond is what changelings desire above all else but Riaz was able to turn away from it..like it was something that was just thrust on him and something that just controlled how he felt..then wouldn't that mean that even though they don't really realise it that changelings who are mated are forced to feel that way about their mate becuase the mating tug/dance has compelled them to feel that way. I feel like the mating bond isn't as great as it was made out to be but I also feel that changelings that don't have the mating bond are missing something from their relationship..sigh..neither seem good enough anymore. And all the past couples don't seem as special anymore..Say if Sascha had gotten scared because of her feelings for Lucas and she decided to leave before getting a mate-bond so she could get reconditioned..Lucas would have lost his potential mate..but after the initial devestation he could have met someone who he was attracted to and who understood him and he could have fallen happily in love..so essentially Sasha's replaceable and that's hardly romantic (for me anyway:P). There's just to many if, but's and maybe's for my liking.
Moving on I love H/S but thought they were a little boring when I first read the book because for some bizarre reason I expected angst and drama between them instead of 'domestic bliss'..I don't know why I expected that since by the end of KoS they were mated and settled..re-reading their parts was more enjoyable because I knew to expect them being lovey dovey towards to each other..so I could appreciate their sweetness and cute moments..I liked when Sienna got all grumpy and told Hawke she was having most of thewardrobe space and he was all ok, no problem..I just found it adorable. I'm glad H/S don't want babies straight away, Sienna's too young and I think they need time together before having a family.
I really want to know what Faith saw about M/R's kids, she found it so funny and when she told Vaughn he seemed shocked..she said something about multiple births but I don't see what was so funny and shocking aboutthat since it's common for changelings to have multiple births. It was sweet that Mercy seemed to want a wolf baby and Riley a cat baby. I hope she gives birth to one of each.. it'll be intersting to see because we'll find out who was more dominant awhen the concieved.
Drunk Riley and Hawke..so funny..and pupcubs..so adorable..I wish there's more funny scenes like that in future books.
Oh and it was mentioned that Indigo was still more dominant than Drew..it was implied that Drew would one day become more dominant than Indigo..I'm wondering when that'll happen.
I want to know what the reason for the sea changelings reaons were for wanting an alliance with Snowdancer.
I was thinking of the poss that Kaleb's 'target' was not someone he was in love with but someone that was powerful and had a unique ability that could help him with his endgame.
I like Vasic slightly more than Aden, I think that he'll be saved..I need to stop shipping Vasic and Aden because I'm not a M/M fan but in their scenes it's like they have this bond.
I think Kaleb's story will be next and then I hope it'll be Vasic's - I'd like Vasic to end up with a chageling who's his total oppisite maybe someone like Rina. I'm not convinced that he's the Ghost..I just don't get why Judd would think of him as the Ghost instead of Vasic.
I think Bowen will get his own novel as well..he'll prob end up with a psy becuase of all the problems he's had with them..and also because he's now chipped if he falls for a psy there's that peace of mind there that psy can't violate his mind.
I'd like a Jem/Kenji novel..I'm dying to find out why she punched him. I'm also interested in Evie/Tai and whether they'll have a mate bond or just love.
Anthony and Nikita are definitely getting it on or at the very least want to get it on..I really want to see some scenes in their POV's.
I'm not sure what to think of Alice yet, I think she will get her own book eventually..I think I'll need to read more about her before her own book for me to be interested in her.
I really want Amara to get her own book and I want to know which changeling it is that tried to talk to her in her lab. Amara would definitely be a different type of heroine..the crazy/psychotic kind..it'll make a change from both the current dominant females as heroines or the perfect, do goody, Mary Sue type heroines.
I want more Snowdancer/wolf books because there's so many potential couples..I used to prefer the DarkRiver/Cat books but over the last few books the wolves have become my fave..I like how a lot of the wolves live together in the den whereas the cats are too spread out.
I really want to know more about Kaleb's powers - his powers makes Sienna's seem like nothing..I also want to finally know who the Ghost is.

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Post by ferdy on Thu May 31, 2012 4:40 am

paranormalmama wrote:Dark River has kind of taken a back seat I think....I think we won;t see another Cat centered book for a couple years and then it will be with Kit finally coming into his own...

A few yrs ago I would have been pissed to find out that DarkRiver/the cats are no longer the feature of the books but now I hope thatshe won't go back to the cats and that she'll stick with Snowdancer/the wolves..the only cats who's stroy I'm interested in is Kit and his sister - I'm not sure but I think her name's Rina. Don't hate me but I don't like Sasha that much so the less I see of her the better..I used to really like her but for the past few books I've become annoyed with her vanilla, do-goody, oh so perfect, loved and adored by all personality..she's just too much of a Mary Sue.
On a different note I wonder why Ben and Marlee have fallen out.. I wonder id they could be future mates..Lol I can't look at two characters without thinking if their meant to be.


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Post by Jane on Thu May 31, 2012 5:14 am

ferdy wrote:
On a different note I wonder why Ben and Marlee have fallen out.. I wonder id they could be future mates..Lol I can't look at two characters without thinking if their meant to be.

Something I thought about when I was reading about Ben and Marlee, and of course it's not possible but... what if they already mated, or Ben knows that Marlee's his mate and told her and she got mad... or something. Yeah, i know it's insane because Ben is extremely young but... maybe in a few years.
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Post by tabitha on Thu May 31, 2012 5:35 am

I thought this too
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Post by Jane on Thu May 31, 2012 6:27 am

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this thought! Smile
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Post by Yurice on Thu May 31, 2012 7:46 am

Because Ben stole a kiss. Laughing
He has a crush on Marlee, didn't he tell Keenan that he's going to mate with her?
Of course it could be just kid's talk, but they're so adorable. Smile
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Post by Lulu2011 on Thu May 31, 2012 8:20 am

How old is Marlee? I have the impression that she's older than Ben by maybe 3 or so years? Is that right?
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