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Post by Lulu2011 on Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:01 am

Thanks, wow, that was a long time ago if it was Hostage to Pleasure. The Wicked Scribes blog character guide for Psy-Changeling has her first appearnce as being in Blaze of Memory. I'll try to go back and check Blaze today.
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Post by TheFLuff on Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:09 am

hrm... let me think...

oh yeah!

It was BLaze of Memory!

Hostage was something different.

God three hours of sleep last night wasn´t enough by far Wink

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Post by TheFLuff on Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:29 pm

Might Keisha be the woman, that aids Ashaya, after Vasic ports her out after her death?

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Post by tabitha on Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:35 pm

I think the women who helps Ashaya is the same M-psy Anthony talks too when discussing Samuel Rain's condition, her name is Laniea.
As that would make sense as Zie Zen and Anthony are both members of the rebellion.

However I can't find the place where Keisha Bale is referred too Sad
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Post by TheFLuff on Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:32 am

Yes, possibly.

One thing that is making me scratch my head, is the way, Aden is always speaking for Vasic.

In KoS he does it twice, with Abbot and with Judd.
Abbot even comments on it.
As if Vasic was kind of locked up and needed Aden to make a connection to the outside.
Or more like, they are kind of "one" entity, formed by two person.

Like the Scots, not not quite as creepy.

Am I seeing things?

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Post by Lulu2011 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:00 am

In what scene was Vasic with Judd? I remember the scene where Aden was with Judd and Judd asks him if he is there to kill him.
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Post by TheFLuff on Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:42 am

That´s the one I´m talking about.

Aden ist talking to Judd. But at some point...

It´s strange. It´s the same, as when he talks with Abbot.
Aden says "Vasic says there was nothing left in him to save"

With Abbot it´s something along the lines of:

"Vasic says, it doesn´t matter who is giving the orders, in the end, we´re just warm bodies to bleed for them"

It doesn´t feel like real time quotes, but there´s something odd about it.

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Post by tabitha on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:06 pm

I think maybe that it's because Aden is shielding the break in Vasics silence, it makes sense that other Arrows know about it.
I think that maybe the two of them share a physic connection like in the ShadowNet as well as a deep friendship.
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Post by TheFLuff on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:39 pm

It´s no fun, starting diskussions, when you come up with the answers I had in mind, right in the beginning. Very Happy

But it seems like Vasic is really only talking to him...

And if Vasics Silence is broken.. what does that do to Aden?


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Post by tabitha on Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:18 pm

What can I say you brought me round to your way of thinking Very Happy

Maybe it makes Aden stronger/more stable?

There are several instances where parents have shielded there children, which seems to stabilse their own abilities. Maybe Aden also has a valve?
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Post by Elisabeth on Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:40 pm

hmm, maybe they are brothers/twins? or is somewhere something mentioned that this cannot be true?
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Post by tabitha on Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:48 pm

It mentions that Aden is the only Arrow who had been taught from cradle to be an Arrow as he is the son of two Arrows, so I guess they aren't brothers.
Besides Aden is quite Asian looking and Nalini doesn't mention the same of Vasic.
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Post by TheFLuff on Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:59 pm

uh.. not brothers...

I don´t think so. Their physical descriptions are too different.

They were placed in training around the same time though.

Not a Valve, don´t think so, but you definately get the feeling, that Aden is filtering some of Vasics more err... erratic emotions (which he of course, doesn´t have), depressed episodes. And shielding him from well.. kinda everybody.
Hence my persistent believe, that Aden might as well be an E

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Post by Lulu2011 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:05 pm

He might have some E in him. Aden and Vasic have had many, many conversations about what's going on, Silence, the Arrows, etc. and so Aden would know his thoughts about pretty much everything. I wouldn't be surprised if Aden was shielding for Vasic on some level (sort of like how parents do for their children as it was described in KoS, like Kristine was doing for Sienna when she was very young.)
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Post by Elisabeth on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:20 pm

hmm, I have to reread the books...E-Psy and shielding does make sense, who was it, Aden, mentioned Walker and his Shield- teaching, so maybe they are just very good friends ´cause they trained together...have to think about this while rereading the books...
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Re: Aden

Post by TheFLuff on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:22 pm

I like that.

That first scene of them in KoS is soooo telling.
When you read it with Vasics failing Silence in mind.
His preference for the dessert and Adens confusion about it, the way he puts that bug back on its feet, the thing he does with the sand.

The shielding makes total sense.
Vasic is only am midrange telepath, to Adens primary ability (and I still wonder, why Ming
sent him to kill Judd, who is more than a little deadly with tp of 9.1)

As for Es and shielding, Sascha is said to be the best shield technician around. Might be just her though


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Post by Elisabeth on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:27 pm

yeah, while reading it I thought of it being little strange...a psy helping a bug and so on...it´s an interesting scene...
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Re: Aden

Post by Lulu2011 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:32 pm

I think it's Vasic's teleporting ability - he could flash in and out and around you in the blink of an eye so that might make him a great assasin.

Walker may turn out to be even more important. He taught the children that were going to be on the Arrow Squad. He probably taught them those telepathic tricks and shielding techniques, like he taught Judd and Sienna. So now all those young ones have grown up (maybe like Aden and Vasic) and are part of the rebellion perhaps?
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Post by Elisabeth on Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:16 am

hmm, yeah, thought so too, espacially Judd thinks he knows which part they´ll take in the rebellion, if they wouldn´t be part of the rebellion he could have killed Judd...
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Post by TheFLuff on Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:23 am

Aden definately is.
And Aden is kind of the leader of the Arrows. Even though they´re officially reporting to Kaleb, it´s Aden who is basically the one calling the shots, the one they´re looking to.

And Aden oversees the Arrows´ reactions to Jax, and has been doing so for years. Their psychological reaction to Jax Very Happy
Sneaky ^^

And he´s the one, Walker taught all those deceptive telepathic tricks to.

I don´t think, Walker trained Vasic, though
Judd was in another facility, being trained for his Tk and he has strong Tp, while Vasic has only midrange, so I´d think, Vasic did not get that much specialized Tp training.

It makes me wonder, though, how Aden and Vasic got in contact with Anthony and Zie Zen.
And they need to be part of the rebellion. Fighting for the likes of the Scots and Ming is a death sentence for around a dozen arrows, who are breaking atm.


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Re: Aden

Post by TheFLuff on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:01 am

I wonder how undemanding my work must be, when my brain comes up with all kind of strange theories all the time....

So, here we go again:

Vasic = very strong Tk
Tk/F-Psy = most in tune with the Netmind/DarkMind
Vasic = breaking, not only his Silence, but his mind it appears (HoP, his conversation with Dorian.
He sounds on the verge of some bad case of depression.
The snippets of what he says to Aden (or Aden tells others, Vasic has said))
We get alot of emotional vibes from him, but none of those even remotely positive.

Nalini said, Vasic would get his own book, if he survives the madness of what he does, not only physically, but mentally.

Which to me smells alot like Vasic is channeling the DarkMind.... big time.
And he´s slowly losing his mind.

And to get really far fetched: this bond with Aden.

Similar to Ashaya/Amara.
Or Sophia´s duality.

The strong and stable Aden, who does not only seem to be cool, but relaxed and at ease with himself and Vasic, who (for a Psy at least)
shows some erratic behaviour, as he does in the dessert and is so not comfortable with his life.

Even more, Vasic has an active part in covering up the outbreaks of violence, the breaking of Silence and the insanity, that goes around.
Basically pushing the DarkMind into invisibility again and again, while his own mind goes down the drain.
Talk about schizophrenic existence.


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Re: Aden

Post by Lulu2011 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:57 am

That's what I started to think. Maybe Vasic is channeling the DarkMind. Maybe he's an anchor in some capacity for the DarkMind, a place the DarkMind has to pass through periodically?

The bond with Aden is really interesting. It was Aden, using Vasic as teleporter, who flashed in to save Dorian wasn't it? I don't think their names were used at that point in the book but down the road I thought it must have been the two of them.
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Re: Aden

Post by tabitha on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:11 am

Yup, Aden and Vasic saved Dorian when he was shot, Vasic also helped save Ashaya from Ming and was Zie Zen ic up when he met Ashaya & Dorian, he also picked up Samuel Rain after he jumped off a cliff.
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Re: Aden

Post by TheFLuff on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:44 am

That was absolutely them.
The descriptions fit to a t.

I loved that scene, how they worked together so perfectly. Vasic reacting, before Aden even had finished speaking.
And Adens quiet confidence. Or lets call it... arrogance *g*
How Aden worked and Vasic just protected his back, without a word.


But I don´t think the DarkMind is just passing through.
People seem to be reacting differently to the DarkMind influence.
Those, who are bad, act on the impulses and others just get the brunt of its despair.
Need to read Faiths book again.

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Re: Aden

Post by Lulu2011 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:27 pm

Lots of good stuff in Visions of Heat. I know some around here don't care for Faith that much but I like her. She grew up in isolation, has the burden of being a foreseer and I thought she reacted the way anyone would once stalked by a changeling/jaguar.
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