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Post by CassB on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:07 pm

So, I very much enjoyed the book. I read overnight and I hope to a do clearheaded re-read soon. Few things I want to mention. I hope we get more insights into Kaleb and Sahara in later books, I want to see how they work day-to-day. I also want to know what Sahara decides to do with her life (besides be with Kaleb), she mentions to Faith and Mercy something about it but it is never resolved. I understand the focus on Kaleb and Sahara in this book but I missed the returns to other characters we have had in the last few books.

Nalini mentioned in one of the lead-up interviews that the next character would be clear and the only person that seems to be set-up for a story in HoO is Xavier and his Nina. No other characters seem to be set-up for a potential HEA. The Arrows are a part of the story, but I didn't really get a "oh, you're next" feeling from any of their scenes. I definitely got that vibe for Xavier and I wasn't super excited about it. It never occured to me that Xavier would be a main character (although I guess it makes sense) and I am not psyched for a human/human pairing. And I am not sure how Xavier and Nina would move the main arc along. Did anyone else get this feeling for Xavier or someone else?

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Post by Rob on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:30 pm

I dunno CassB I think Vasic is next, he's broken, he & Aden were privileged to see Kaleb & Sahara's bond, Sahara feels for him. Or Aden but I'm inclined to think Vasic.

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Post by Rob on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:45 pm

Although I've got to read it again. That was only my first impression, but no one else stood out for me and certainly not Father Xavier. That's kinda like giving Alice her own book.

I'm excited about seeing more of Sahara. I think she'll grow into her character and her relationship and I'm not sure why a couple of the reviewers who got an ARC thought Kaleb was cold and unemotional and never warmed up from their POV through the whole book. I thought it screamed his emotion and inner pain (just about gave me a headache) and the only reason I stopped reading was because it was 2am in the morning and I needed sleep.


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Post by Rob on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:48 pm

tabitha wrote:Boo, where did you get yours from Rob?

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Post by syaffolee on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:29 pm

Rob wrote:the only reason I stopped reading was because it was 2am in the morning and I needed sleep.

Heh. I made it to 3am before I conked out.

I, too, thought that the most obvious clues point to Xavier and Nina as the main characters in the next book. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. On one hand, I'm really interested in how Nalini would spin a human/human pairing in a (up to now) primarily psy/changeling world. On the other, I have no idea how that's going to help tie up the loose ends of the first story arc (if indeed what Nalini said about having 2-3 more books for the arc after HOO is true). But I can see Vasic being in the next book as well. Near the end, it says, "Perhaps Aden had sold his Arrows short. Perhaps salvation could come for even the most broken among them."

Overall, I really enjoyed Heart of Obsidian. I recently read one review that remarked that Kaleb was actually the beta member of the couple, and I think I have to agree with that. Even though he's the most dangerous and powerful man in the world and despite his possessiveness, everything he does is for Sahara. He was at her beck and call instead of the other way around. Aside from the great romance, Nalini does world building and plotting very, very well. To me, she's one of the few authors in PNR who manages to integrate all of that successfully. She answered quite a few questions in this book and I was pretty pleased that my deductions on a number of things weren't completely off the mark.

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Post by Yurice on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:45 pm

Xavier is going to the mountains to meet his Nina. It sounds like a remote place, it wouldn't have mattered if he's Psy...so I can't see how it would be a 'strategic' place for the next book. So...maybe we'll hear about them in the next arc. Smile

What I got, is Aden and Vasic's. The focus on the next book would be eliminating Ming, so there'd be more of Judd, Sienna and Hawke. At least, this is what I hope. Smile
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Post by Miana on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:26 pm

I'm so happy that my Google tips helped you guys! Smile

I actually think the next book will be about either Aden or Vasic. If my count is right (I inhaled the whole book in like 5 hours), there were only like 5 POVs in the book: Kaleb, Sahara, Vasquez, Anthony, and Aden.

Kaleb and Sahara have had their story now. We all know what happens to Vasquez, and I highly doubt Anthony gets his story.

So I'm banking on either Aden or Vasic. Plus, Kaleb thinks that both he and Sahara agree that Aden will be a powerful ally if he can trust them. And there's Aden hoping that the Arrows can make it after all. Yeahhh, it's got to be either Aden or Vasic Smile

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Post by syaffolee on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:36 pm

Yeah, I agree Aden or Vasic would be the logical choice. (Besides, I just want to see a showdown with Ming. That would be epic.)

What threw me was that the Xavier/Nina thing was written in its own section. It seemed kind of random at first glance, but I also know that things included in the series almost always serve a purpose. Or maybe I'm overthinking things. Smile

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Post by Miana on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:38 pm

I think Nalini wrote about Xavier because she wanted him to get his happy ending. I mean, he's been a minor character for quite a few books now, and he's missed his Nina for a long while. So it's a good way to let him have his happy ending Very Happy

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Post by Rob on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:46 pm

If there are 2-3 books before Nalini finishes this story arc you gotta figure what Xavier and Nina will bring to the next book. I think they'll be in it, just not as the main h/h.

Yes to SD & Ming, that's not done yet after all he provided the pure psy with their bombs and ammo and isn't Shoshanna still lurking around somewhere? Marshall, Henry and Santano are done and dusted and Tatiana's in lock down like forever. Nikita is growing on me, I'd like to see her meet Naya, after all she and Anthony are on team Kaleb now and they don't support silence anymore.

Since Nalini is in the US this week I hope she has another epiphany on the plane on her way home and starts the outline for the next book. Its a 14hr trip she can even do a rough draft. Heh!

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Post by Miana on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:52 pm

Plus, we have to see more of Alice's recovery. Nalini wouldn't bring her in so late (book 10) if she didn't have a purpose. Maybe Alice will help the Psy find their feet in the new society? Some people seem to think that she'll hook up with either Aden or Vasic.

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Post by Katherine on Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:37 pm

Miana wrote:I think Nalini wrote about Xavier because she wanted him to get his happy ending. I mean, he's been a minor character for quite a few books now, and he's missed his Nina for a long while. So it's a good way to let him have his happy ending Very Happy

True, but he ain't got it until he's *got* it. First he's gotta win her back.

So my vote is for Xavier.

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Post by tlgopal969 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:03 am

In regards to Xavier and Nina I think she might not be human. Near the end the way Kaleb and Judd were both talking about already porting to the village where they all thought she now was suggested to me that Xavier is in for a real surprise. I believe they both said that Xavier should find this out for himself. Whatever they saw it is.

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Post by Katherine on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:16 am

Her being alive (and still single) wouldn't be surprising enough?

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Post by tlgopal969 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:12 am

To me that would be a happy surprise but the way I interpreted their conversation it sounded much more serious. I'm actually rereading it so I'll if I get the same impression this time.

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Post by Roxsan on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:48 am

Alright, here's some Aden and Vasic scenes, as per request Smile

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Vasic glanced at the computronic gauntlet that had become part of his arm, fusing into his very cells in an experimental process to test biocompatible hardware. There were significant risks to the procedure, and Aden had advised Vasic against it, but the other male had made the decision that if someone in the squad needed to test it, it should be him.
Vasic wasn't too concerned about his future life span.

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Aden and the arrows had aligned themselves with Krychek, but it was understood that they would not blindly follow his order. The members of the squad had learned their lesson after their experience at the hands of Ming LeBon, understood that loyalty was a coin easily spent outside their own. It was only because of Kaleb's track record of never turning on those who had offered him their loyalty that they had chosen to work with him.
Trust was a different matter.

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Turning toward the man who was dressed in black combat pants and a black t-shirt, a large thin-skin bandage on the inside of his left forearm and scuffed boots on his feet, Aden said, "What do you want?"
Kaleb shifted to face him. "To know if I'm going to have to leave you dead on the desert sands."
"What makes you so certain you could?"
The white stars in the cardinal Tk's eyes gleamed as hard as diamonds. "You could incapacitate or kill me if you had the element of surprise, but in brute strength, I have no equal."
"Vasic has a lock on your position." His partner had taken that action the instant Kaleb first appeared. "He can have a gun to your head in the space between one breath and the next. And I am no medic."
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Post by TheFLuff on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:18 am

Roxsan wrote:Alright, here's some Aden and Vasic scenes, as per request Smile

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Turning toward the man who was dressed in black combat pants and a black t-shirt, a large thin-skin bandage on the inside of his left forearm and scuffed boots on his feet, Aden said, "What do you want?"
Kaleb shifted to face him. "To know if I'm going to have to leave you dead on the desert sands."
"What makes you so certain you could?"
The white stars in the cardinal Tk's eyes gleamed as hard as diamonds. "You could incapacitate or kill me if you had the element of surprise, but in brute strength, I have no equal."
"Vasic has a lock on your position." His partner had taken that action the instant Kaleb first appeared. "He can have a gun to your head in the space between one breath and the next. And I am no medic."

Yep, that´s my boys.

That so totally is my boys!
And the reason I have been adoring them since HtP.
Aren´t they just...

Is there anything about their bond in HoO?

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Post by Roxsan on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:40 am

Nothing comes to mind off the top of my head. Aden is still trying to protect Vasic from himself though.

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"You didn't track us down to watch Vasic target practice," he said as this missle did exactly what it was meant to do, sand exploding in a silver geyser.
"Why are you here?" Kaleb asked instead of answering the implied question. "There's nothing you can do to stop an accident."
Aden had no intention of answering with the truth. "I'm here to monitor the tests, provide a backup account of the results."
Kaleb was quiet for a long time, the two of them watching the arcing blue flares of weapons fire as Vasic tested another setting on the gauntlet. When he spoke, Kaleb again said the unexpected. "You're here so that if something goes wrong, Vasic doesn't die alone. He's so close to the edge, you aren't certain he won't engineer a fatal accident."
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Post by TheFLuff on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:45 am

Roxsan wrote:Nothing comes to mind off the top of my head. Aden is still trying to protect Vasic from himself though.

Spoiler:
"You didn't track us down to watch Vasic target practice," he said as this missle did exactly what it was meant to do, sand exploding in a silver geyser.
"Why are you here?" Kaleb asked instead of answering the implied question. "There's nothing you can do to stop an accident."
Aden had no intention of answering with the truth. "I'm here to monitor the tests, provide a backup account of the results."
Kaleb was quiet for a long time, the two of them watching the arcing blue flares of weapons fire as Vasic tested another setting on the gauntlet. When he spoke, Kaleb again said the unexpected. "You're here so that if something goes wrong, Vasic doesn't die alone. He's so close to the edge, you aren't certain he won't engineer a fatal accident."


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Post by Roxsan on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:53 am

On that note, I think Vasic's story may be next. He's very close to breaking point, so I think it's going have to be now or never.
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Post by TheFLuff on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:55 am

i know, it has been for two books now and she has been placing him in the foreground more and more.

unless, of course, she kills him off.

But if she didn´t in this book, she wont.. I think.
Might die killing Ming though.
Or... something.

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good thing, I´m a cool, mellow person

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Post by tabitha on Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:47 am

Having read the book over the last four hours, I have to say I love Kaleb as much as Judd if not more, he won me over the minute he and Sahara touched.

What can I say I like my men dark and twisty and Kaleb is like the alpha of that Very Happy

I love Sahara too she is the perfect mate, I would have loved to have seen more of her interaction with Dark River and Anthony though.

For me the romance was just a fraction off Judd and Brennas but better than many of the others.

Nalinis world building is awesome as always.

There was just enough of Aden and Vasic to give me hope that the Arrows story is what is coming next alongside Xaviers and Ninas.

My prediction for the next couple is Aden and Alice. I think Xavier has a child Smile
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Post by Jane on Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:30 am

I absolutely adore this book. Kaleb is such a complex character. And the love he has for Sahara, it's just amazing. I mean I love, love, love, Hawke and Sienna, but Kaleb and Sahara are a close second.

tabitha wrote:There was just enough of Aden and Vasic to give me hope that the Arrows story is what is coming next alongside Xaviers and Ninas.

My prediction for the next couple is Aden and Alice. I think Xavier has a child Smile

Yes! I also think Xavier has a child, but I'm not really excited to know more about him... we don't know him that much for me to be excited with his story. I would like to know if he got a happy ending, but in a novella or something. Not a full book.
But I do think the next book is about Vasic and Alice, because I think Sahara is going to help Alice with her memories and everything that happened before. And Since she will need a transporter to go to Alice, Vasic will spend some time with her... hopefully Smile
Nalini said she would tell who the next protagonist were, does anyone know? As she said anything about the next book yet?
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Post by CassB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:35 am

I love how others' comments get my juices flowing. It makes perfect sense that the surprise would be Xavier's child. I think Xavier will be a thread in the next book or two, I hope it is a subplot. I think one of the Arrows has to be next main. Silence is over but the PsyNet is very unstable. I think that has to addressed and I don't see how a human in South America is going be a large part of that (I still do get the your story is next vibe from them, however). But Nalini said in an interview that she would be willing to tell us who is next after HoO comes out, so hopefully we find out soon.

Someone commented on Amazon that the troubles Vasic has with his arm implant could be the set-up to his HEA and that makes sense to me. The person who commented thought that would mean a Psy heroine and it could, but Changelings and humans have a lot of tech smarts. I used to be sold on Vasic and Alice, but ever since someone mentioned Aden and Alice together, that is who I see.

And it again makes perfect sense that Sahara will be able to help Alice. But Sahara wouldn't need Vasic to transport her, she has Kaleb Smile
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Post by Jane on Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:48 am

CassB wrote:And it again makes perfect sense that Sahara will be able to help Alice. But Sahara wouldn't need Vasic to transport her, she has Kaleb Smile

Yes, but Kaleb can be busy... so Vasic (or Aden, though I think it's Vasic because he is at the edge so, it makes sense) and Alice can spend time together and heal each other Razz
Besides, we need to see Hawke and Sienna again because they have to kill Ming! Twisted Evil
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